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money. and the average person needs that $2,000 in his pocket to drive the economy. saying that tax breaks for the rich drive consumers lower down to spend is like saying you could start your car by pouring gasoline on the hood. there's no proof, there's no factual data to support it. it's completely a sham to say that. >> and he's a business owner. we need more members of congress to sound like that. if the president is trying to achieve solidarity on raising the top tax rate, these are the voices that can come through for them with that message in a big way. an owner of an automobile supply company says she supports the plan even if it means her own personal rates will go up. . >> i would have higher tax rates, but r more important and more crucial, the middle class would be spending about $3,000 more. >> harry reid kept the focus on the president's winning campaign message of letting the tax cuts expire on incomes over $250,000 a year. >> the people who have done so well during this difficult time with the economy, the richest of the rich are going to have to pay a little more to
on the economy. the washington post writes that the white house is ratcheting up pressure to avoid the fiscal cliff. on c-span tonight, we will bring you some of the house and senate debate from august of 2011, when congress passed the budget control act that triggered cuts to take effect on january 1. we will also hear from president obama, who signed the deficit reduction measure into law, part of the deal to raise the debt ceiling. first, senate majority leader harry reid and republican majority leader mitch mcconnell will talk on the senate floor about the january fiscal deadline. >> since our country voted to return president obama to the white house, i have spoken often about compromise. i remain optimistic that, when it comes to our economy, when it comes to protecting middle-class families from a whopping tax hike, republicans and democrats will be able to find common ground. president dwight eisenhower, a republican, once said, "people talk about the middle of the road as though it were unacceptable. there have to be compromises. the middle of the road is all usable space." so said w
't think that raising tax rates is something that's good for this economy, that will help grow jobs. and so what we have said is there are ways for the federal government to have more revenue if we grow this economy and engage in tax reforms. >> every economist i respect says if you raise tax rates at this time -- in fact the president said that a couple years ago -- that it harms the economy. we're trying to help the economy. and so unless i can be convinced that raising tax rates will be beneficial, then obviously i think there's reason and grounds for my position. >> the truth is this country does not need to go through this fiscal cliff, which is fundamentally a huge tax increase and very little spending cuts. we're favoring a huge automatic tax increase that needs to be changed. >> bottom line we can't go off the fiscal cliff. democrats have harry reid. we have mitch mcconnell. get them in the room. no one gets all they want. if reagan and o'neill could do it, obama and boehner should be able to do it. >> it's the right approach, the one most beneficial for our economy, that protects t
and extend the maturity of existing loans. mark carney prepares to take up the reigns of the uk economy any. unlikely to be any good news. third quarter gd figures expected to be revised down. and it's point, click, buy. americans were doing plenty of that yesterdays as early reports suggest online holiday sales soared on cyber monday. and all bets are off. prediction market entrade says it can no longer accept u.s. customers as market regulators say its trades aren't legal. shanghai composite closed below 2,000 for the first time in three years. it comes at a time when plenty have been talking up chinese growth prospects for next year. so we'll get into that more later. but 1991 is the closing level. this the main one to watch across asia. the nikkei did manage to continue it rally adding about 0.4% as the yen weakens on comments this morning. forex, the dollar-yen one to watch, 82.19 is the level there. the aussie dollar doing a little bit abouter despite that weak number on the shanghai composite. sterling is flat. we'll get into that more later. and euro-dollar just barely higher today,
, it is not a recession, it has been building for decade-sapping the ability of the american economy to grow, and the average american to rise. to make the u.s. less competitive, less attractive for business, we go back to the fiscal cliff discussion over and over again because unless we get the economy really moving and growing in a long run, these budget problems will occur over and over again. we have identified eight areas where we find, these things would move the needle in a reasonable time frame, two or three or four years we start to see impact and there's quite bipartisan support. and the sustainable budget compromise. number 2, easing immigration now. we need a broader immigration reform, but it is one of the abilities to move rapidly to inject skill to the economy to fill jobs we badly need to fill to sustain our growth. it is not long term solution to the skill problem in america but a critical step we need to take to move the needle. we have got to simplify and realize the corporate tax code. everybody agrees. we just did a survey that included a loss of members of the general p
, investors in the financial markets and the real economy, you need sustainability and credibility. the problem with the european union for the time being is that decisionmaking is not sustainable. the united states has a common economic area with a common currency. one central bank, one parliament, and one government. the european union has an economic area with one currency, one central bank, and 17 governments in the eurozone. how the fine trust when you have every day after the decision making, another government -- how you can find an investor going to greece, today you invest in euros. tomorrow, the currency of greece, nobody knows. what kind of investment will go to greece. the biggest problem is not to fill the gap in the public coffers of greece. my eyes, it is a credit crunch in some of the countries. i met the chairman of the greek chamber of commerce when i was there and he'd tell me we have about 300 small and middle sized companies. ferry transport is a very important element of the greek economy. in the health-care system, whatever. most of the jobs are created in sm
's really thinking that we're going to get this full 3.5%, 4% gdp hit smack into the economy on january 1st. the problem is that time is marching on. we've had the election, we've had thanksgiving. the excuses are running out. the lame-duck session is only so long. that's probably why the markets are getting nervous. although you may get a deal done in q-1 rather than in q-4, the fact that it actually hits from january 1st is going to keep business very cautious, very defensive and that's going to worry the equity market. >> it's interesting because it also comes against the landscape where we've seen chinese equities underperform, they reminded us very few of its member countries have great growth prospects going forward. that's probably wise. people are saying why is it that across the globe the u.s. fiscal cliff is such an issue. well, it's because sources of growth at this point are few and far between. >> that is the problem. where is growth going to come from. the one place that looked set for a reasonable 2013 was the u.s. economy. europe flat, china slower probably than this year. b
different elements of our economy deal with d.h.s. with support of others coming up with what would be best business practices and then if those best business practices were adopted by those within that element of the economy, they would get liability protection, liability immunity. now, some say, wait a second. that leads to a slippery slope that the government will come in and crash in on you. i don't know the perfect answer but i can trying for the lightest regulatory approach we could have. and those worried about the federal government coming in heavy-handed are truly concerned about that, they ought to think about this. if we have a successful cyberattack against a part of our critical infrastructure, my fear is that congress and whoever's present at the time will overreact because the public will require it. wouldn't it be better for us to anticipate it? wouldn't it be better for us to get ahead of the crises and then have a means by which we defend against it? we know we're not ever going to be totally 100% successful. so when it happens to diminish the impact on whatever critical i
the dangers of going over the fiscal cliff and what that means for our economy, that there's too much stubbornness in congress, that we can't even agree on giving middle-class families a tax cut, then middle-class families are all going to end up having a big tax hike. that's going to be a pretty rude shock for them, and i suspect will have a big impact on the holiday shopping season, which in turn will have an impact on business planning and hiring, and we can go back into a recession. >> sean: republicans hate big beared and santa claus. don't buy this hype, such as letting the bush cuts expire, are not the answer to tackling this deficit. in fact, during the 2012 fiscal year the federal government cost $9.7 billion to run each and every day, but the additional revenue from letting the bush tax cuts expire only amounts to around $82 billion a year, meaning the government would be funded for a whopping 8.5 days if in fact the president wins this fight. sadly the real reason we've reached this point is because our elected representatives simply have no idea how to stop spending your m
's the one that's most beneficial for our economy. >> reporter: larry, what i would say is tax increases does not necessarily, despite the rhetoric on both sides, and especially from democrats, does not necessarily have to mean increases in tax rates. it is possible, if you look at the estate tax, if you look at the treatment of dividends, capital gains and carried interest and take a look at loopholes and deductions to raise a significant amount of revenue from people at the top without changing the marginal rate, layery. >> very interesting. we're going to have senator tom coburn on that very subject later in the show. many thanks to john harwood coming from washington, d.c. now, with everyone in washington talking tax hikes, whatever happened to spending cuts? that's really my question. spending cuts and limited government and private sector free enterprise and growth. here now is cnbc contributor and democratic vat gist keith boykin, a former clinton white house aide and best selling author and talk show host larry elder, out with a new took, "dear father, dear son." larry already the sho
to the financial system. >> steve, if only the market could focus on just the economy, which actually seems to be chugging along okay. if you look at durables, consumer confidence, the ongoing recovery and housing, it's the overhang of the cliff that's spooking everybody. >> yeah, we've had somewhat better numbers. the new home sales today, not great. maybe sandy affected even though the government said it wasn't. the economy's okay. it may be more of a 2% plus economy in the fourth quarter than is being given credit on the street. it's not gang busters. the question has been for a long time -- by the way, there's some headlines from the beige book. you can see it really did affect the northeast, new york, and new jersey especially. so we'll see some of that in the data in the months ahead. we'll be seeing some rebuilding going on. you know, i would not make a call here on the economy, scott, to say go ahead and invest in the economy. after the fiscal cliff everything is fine. i think there's a reason for cautious optimism, but i don't think there's a reason to think it's going to go gang b
. >> it is doing it now with china and japan. you have to of the biggest economies in the world in a nightmare situation that raises the fundamental question and up in in this myth that economics draws people together. part of the title today is "mischief or miscalculation?" during the cold war, you could have 17 different spheres of contact with the soviets and it two blew up, you could still have 15 others. there was a lot of heavy investment in figuring out how to court made, communicate, due to escalation and talk if things got bad. in this era, when i look at the amount of time -- the obama administration more so than the bush administration, when officials meet throughout the region, and the discussion attempt to correlate with china, there seems to be a lot of effort to try to coordinate. jim steinberg was the fourth member of this panel, looking at the island dispute and said, they were shocked and surprised by the level of miscommunication, miss assessment, and the dangers of that between china and japan. it raises the question of whether or not -- i agree. i know china wants respect
the government, we will close down the american economy and, in turn, the global economy. if they do not solve the issue of this runaway spending, get some way to stop borrowing in excess, he tells the president of the united states if we default on this, on our obligations and our ious, we will trigger a depression worse than the 1930s. anybody here remember the 19 1930s depression? you probably don't. i don't. i was not born, but i've read about it. it was a calamity for the world. tim geithner said to the president what, if we default on this, if we do not solve this problem, we will have an economic catastrophe that will make the 2008 financial crisis a footnote in the history books. anyone remember the 2008 financial crisis? that's coming not from some columnist or journalist, that is coming from well-informed secretary of the treasury. you think about this, there is a value in running scared. if you think about after 9/11, the terrorist attacks, one thing the country did collectively is they set up tsa, the screening at airports. there are all kinds of work, very significant work done to
% of the trillion dollars deficit why risk slowing down the economy, which a lot of people say might happen if you increase taxes why slow the economy for such a collectively small amount of money? >> first thought don't think it is a small amount of money. we need a balanced approach. david: uribe 2% of the deficit unfunded if you do that. >> to look at the president's budget, what he proposes is raising $1.6 trillion proposing spending cuts as well, combination of which would put us on a sustainable path in the economy in the long run. what we should avoid doing is having gridlock, not extending the middle-class tax cuts would wish on our report today is if the middle-class tax cuts are not extended that will cause consumer spending to fall by $200 billion next year. that'll be an awfully big hit to the economy. liz: to a for somebody economic council, physically says middle-class tax cuts on consumer spending, everybody spends. how do we come to this agreement, we keep hearing left the tax cuts they now warren buffett came out with an op-ed in "the new york times" say saying we should make that
reserve look, it did not dim the hopes of the bulls. they talk about the economy standing at a measured pace with moderate consumer spending. optimistic and moderate to words they relate. the true standout today. costco with the one-time dividend taking the stock to new highs today. this has been a really beaten-down name up sharply, and coach is looking pretty fashionable as well. look at gold colored one point it was down $35, it is losing some of the shine, oil taking a hit down to a one-week low, budget concerns on crude, and we will see right now what is going on with gold. let's see what they make of the midday reversal. closing higher, just one big year. this unique group and the nymex, this is pretty significant, isn't it? the politicians would open their mouth and the market rallies, that never happens. >> this is really a pretty good rally when you consider where we came from, this is a pretty good move. people are very optimistic maybe he is making true statements they will get something done. honestly the value is very anemic. they were placed in the week after, now we're ki
at this time, in fact, the president even said a couple of years ago, it harms the economy. we are trying to help the economy. and, so, unless i can be convinced that raising tax rates will be beneficial, then obviously i think there's reason and ground for my position. but, i also believe that we can and must get an agreement, otherwise i think first of all, the markets are going to start reacting. >> chris: we'll talk about that in the next segment, and i think it is a real issue. finally, let's talk about the g.o.p. republicans, i don't have to tell you, had a really rough night on election night. and let's look at the break down of some of the numbers. you lost unmarried women by 36 points, hispanics, by 44 points. young people, by 23 points. does your party need to change, especially, with those groups, on social issues like same sex marriage and immigration reform? >> i think we have to have a bigger tent. no doubt about it. and, obviously we have to do immigration reform. there is no doubt whatsoever that the demographics are not on our side. and, we are going to have to give a muc
the economy going over the fiscal cliff. no mystery what the issues areu. the democrats know, republicans know and so does president obama. entitlements are pushing the country toward financial ruin. here is what the president said in 2010. >> the major driver of the long-term liabilities is medicare, medicaid and healthcare spending. nothing comes close. social security we could probably fix the same way tip o'neil and ronald reagan sat down together and we could figure something out. that is manageable. medicare and medicaid, massive problems down the road. that's where, that is what our children have to worry about. >> dana: here we are, two years later and still no plan. on the left in congress refusing to deal with that simple reality. vermont senator bernie sanders caucuses with the democrats. take a listen. >> i get nervous when i hear the president and others continue to talk about quote/unquote, entitlement reform. which is just another cut for medicaid and medicare and social security. >> eric: brian, start with you, today. >> dana: you look surprised. >> brian: i am. yet honored. >>
and the economy. we agree with that. but if your number one priority is jobs and the economy, you don't grow the economy and create jobs by raising taxes on small businesses, the very people who create those jobs. >> greta: white house press secretary today jay carney when asked when the next meeting with congressional members would be, the answer was, quote, it would come at the appropriate time. >> nobody knows what that means. >> greta: that's my point. look, all of you have had a vacation, campaigning, doing that for the last three months. you've been about this fiscal cliff for a year and a half. now the president is going out to do, as you say, campaigning. the press secretary says there will be a meeting between leaders at the appropriate time. the appropriate time seems like pretty much right now. >> well, it is. what you're seeing by the president and democrats is an attempt to run out the clock. i think they think they gain leverage if the pressure builds toward the end of the year. frankly you're hearing a lot of prominent democrats saying we should go over the fiscal cliff and le
optimistic about spending in this economy. the index of consumer attitudes edging up to 73.7 from an up yard hi-revised reading of 73.1 in october o. and u.s. home prices climbing higher for the sixth month in a row. property values in 20 cities jumped 3% compared to one year ago, building on a 2% gain posted in august. liz: green mountain coffee roasters brewing up numbers, robert gray has the numbers. >> reporter: coming in better than expected, 946.7 million bucks, well ahead of the estimate, 902, and the nongap adjusted earnings number coming in, again, well ahead of expectations, 64 cents. thatts better than the 48 cents that were anticipated there. and they're talking up the sales of new platforms here as they're facing new competition from starbucks. a double beat, if you will, and you see the shares jumping in after hours. liz: yes, david was right, it has been hammered by the short sellers, particularly david einhorn who was famed for short selling lehman brothers. but, again, this is a company that has continued to try and come through here, new management changes, right, robert? >
come january 1, and it will be an increaaed tax rate and were soft economy. if we actually pay for the cost of government as we have right now, the cost of government is recession. if you pay the size of government now. we will have recession in this country and that blows people's minds a little bit more. i don't see them being forced. we have all of these year-to-year fixes and patches and delay it here. this whole process is an example of doing that. dagen: you talk about the needing to be different. some people might talk about fixing our debt and deficit problems, but when it comes down to it, they don't want to give up tax rates, pay anymore, and when you talk about cutting government they get up in arms about cutting spending. >> that is definitely true. a few politicians who are talking honestly about this stuff and have been able to win a few elections. people like rand paul might lead it. scott walker of the world, there is a reality we will have to conform to. they're not all being punished at the ballot rocks. we will see a double dip recession and some of the effec
that would avoid that potentially devastating fiscal cliff that is looming over the u.s. economy right now. the president is meeting with small business owners at the white house today. he had a series of meetings with different business leaders over the last week. despite the warnings that the talks are stalling on capitol hill stuart varney joins me now, host of "varney & company" on fox business network. >> good morning, martha. bill:. martha: what are you hearing how this is going? >> it is impasse basically. the republicans said yesterday they accommodated the democrats they will agree to get more money from wealthy people from higher taxes but mitch mcconnell, senate republican leader, he says there has been no similar compromise from the democrats or the president. he says they are still holding out for higher tax rates on the rich and he says the radical left is prescenting the democrats and president and agreeing to serious reform from medicare. martha, i have to tell you. i got new numbers from medicare, from trustees, actually. medicare has to pay out in the future $42 trillion.
the election, his number-1 priority will be jobs and the economy. we agree with that. but your number-1 priority is jobs and the economy you don't grow the economy to create jobs by raising taxes on small businesses, the people who create the jobs. >> white house press secretary today, jay carney said when he was asked when the next meeting would be, the answer was, it would come, quote at the appropriate time. >> well, nobody know what is that means -- >> no! that's my point. is that -- is that, you know -- look, all of have you had a vacation, i refer, to while you are campaigning the last 3 months. have you known about this fiscal cliff for a year and-a-half. now the president's going out, friday, to do, as you say, campaigning. the press secretary says there will be a meeting between the leaders at the appropriate time. that seems like it's right now. >> it does. to me, what you are seeing with the president and the democrats, is sort of an attempt to run out the clock. i think they think they gain leverage if the pressure builds. you are hearing a lot of prominent democrats saying,
we can evaluate the markets and evaluate the economy? >> the markets are not going to allow that. the markets now understand very clearly the formation of capital is at risk here. we have a absolutely suffocating mountainous debt that is going to extinguish the private economy in this country. lori: bond market is letting it happen. the interest rates are staying low. >> you're quite right but it is also the most defensive position for money of that dimension to inhabit. when we see a change, then we'll see difference ares in direction and flow of that capital but until then, this is a president and a congress, republican and democrat, that are risking everything through their lack of courage, their lack of principle, and lack of vision and responsibility. these people are playing out like they want to come away from this with a whole chapter and profiles in courage devoted to them. it is not going to happen. this is a profile in cowardice. this is profile in the lack of intellectual integrity and a absolute refusal to be straightforward with the american people. i mean we've got
that a couple of years ago -- it harms the economy. we're trying to help the economy. unless i'm convinced raising tax rates will be beneficial, obviously i think there's reason and grounds for my position. i also believe that we can and must get an agreement, otherwise i think first of all the markets are going to start reacting. >> chris: we'll talk about that in the next segment. finally the g.o.p. republicans had a rough night on election night. let's look at the breakdown of the numbers. you lost unmarried women by 36 points. hispanics by 44 points. young people by 23 points. does your party need to change, especially in its outreach to those groups on social issues like same-sex marriage and immigration reform? >> we have to have a bigger tent. no doubt about it. obviously we have to do immigration reform. there's no doubt whatsoever that the demographics are not on our side and we have to give a much more positive agenda. it can't be just being against the democrats and against harry reid and against obama. you have to be for things. we have to give them the contract with america th
interest deduction may be on the chopping block if the economy falls off the fiscal cliff. what does it mean for you and your nation's nascent housing recovery? rodney anderson is the director of supreme lending. welcome, sir. >> good afternoon, lori, rodney, the mortgage interest deduction, on? mous with terms like sacred cow and untouchable but that is changing. >> absolutely. we know several years ago they would have to address the mortgage interest deduction. what we need to remember here is the housing market is already in a troubled stage. ben bernanke last week saying mortgage lending guidelines are overly tight. so we're in an area right now that we know we need to get rid of the deduction but how do we do it? we have to do it structured. lori: let me come in here with this point. are you saying if we get rid of this deduction it could thwart, to your point a very vulnerable recovery? today we got the mortgage apps down 23 years from the prior weeks. new home sales were down when they were expected to rise? >> yeah, it could absolutely hurt the, short term it could hurt it. l
of the pattern for the s&p 500. lower than less than three points. >> so with all the good news on the economy out today, still no rally for stocks. is it really still all about the fiscal cliff for investors right now? let's talk about that in our clo"closing bell" exchange. steve liesman will have breaking news momentarily. steve, do you have that? >> yes, i do. what we have is a report from the new york fed on consumer finance. what the news shows is that overall, consumer credit outside of real estate is up just a bit. most of that, by the way, is student loan debt, being up about $42 billion inside that $2.7 trillion number. overall, mortgage debt is down and overall debt is down. the basic gist of the details, bill, is that consumer credit continues to decline overall. delinquencies are down and bankruptcies are down. balance sheet repair continues. a little bit more willingness of the consumer to take on some debt and a lot of it -- >> that's very interesting, steve. let me ask you something, david. >> i want to make one more point, which is that when you talk about how much the dow is
.s. treasury department is now stopping short of labeling the world's second biggest economy a currency manipulator. the white house is expected now to send the congress a multi-billion-dollar request on the recovery from superstorm sandy. the storm caused an estimated $71 billion in damages in new york and new jersey, and some congressional aides saying the request for funding would likely be at least $11 billion. the move comes as canada gets close to its decision on whether to approve the transaction. the energy companies say discussions with the committee are still in progress, and of course they had to file approval because they have extensive operations in the u.s. gulf of mexico. >>> "the wall street journal" reporting that virtue is emerging as the frontrunner to buy knight capital. they would possibly sell off parts of that business. finally, we can't get away from the story of twinkies. the bakers union of hostess brands wants a bankruptcy judge to appoint a chapter 11 trustee to ensure an orderly winddown. the union is saying it objects the allowing incumbent management to su
this difficult time we have had with the economy. the richest of the rich will have to pay a little bit more to solve the financial problems we have in this country. [inaudible] >> right after the senate majority leader harry reid spoke, republican leaders held their own briefing and ways to find a deal and criticized leader reid's plan. this is 15 minutes. >> good afternoon, everyone. as we head into the fiscal cliff negotiations, my advice to the president would be -- seems like our friends on the other side are having difficulty turning off the campaign. we need to sit down and work this matter out. i think we have a clear sense and opportunity here at the end of the year to do something important for the country. we all know that the most critical steps to be taken are to save the entitlements, which are on an unsustainable path to bankruptcy. there's no better time to begin to fix that problem than right now. so i would hope our friends on the other side can kind of turn off the campaign and get into a cooperative mode here to reach a conclusion. which leads me to make a further observa
the fiscal cliff? >> everybody agrees. >> going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and will hurt job creation in our country. >>er -- every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> shepard: so how to avoid that. >> the president and congress will either fail together or we will succeed together. >> there has to be a deal. there has to be an agreement. >> and if they can't come up with a compromise, we are all going to pay the price. plus, they are some of the biggest names in baseball. bonds, clemens, sosa. all three tainted by accusations they used performance enhancing drugs. but should that keep them from cooper's town? tonight, the great debate over baseball's hall of fame ballot but first from fox this wednesday night, the president hopes who have the framework of a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff by christmas. president obama says he would like congress to pass a bill even sooner to extend tax cuts for the middle class families. and he invited some of those middle class americans to the white house today to help make
cure the economy. the senior editor of "the atlantic" joins us live in the next half hour. he has an interesting perspective. >>> ambassador susan rice heads to capitol hill this morning to mend fences with three republican senators. john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly a at with her information comments made on several networks that played down the role of terrorists in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, that killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. rice maintains she made it clear the intelligence information she had at the time was preliminary. senators have threatened to block her nomination if president obama chooses her to be his next secretary of state. >>> and the obama administration responds to the benghazi attack does not get high marks from americans. the results of a new poll out this morning shows a majority of those questioned, 54%, say they are dissatisfied with the administration's handling of the attack. >>> and the body of yasser arafat was exhumed this morning from a mausoleum in the west bank. a team of international scienti
. >> grow this economy and engage in tax reform. >> simplify the code. >> ywhen you get divorced, thats what happens. ♪ >> welcome back after the thanksgiving holiday and all eyes are on the fast approaching fiscal cliff with republicans possibly maybe looking to make a deal. with the deadline now just 36 days away, some top republicans suggest they could, shock, horror, break with their sacred pledge to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge i made tennesseans aware is just elected that the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i serve when i'm sworn in this january. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected -- re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> sounds great, doesn't it? only one problem, th
serious consequences for the entire economy. a lot of details here and they are coming up inside fox report. well, just hours remain in what is expected to be the biggest online shopping day ever. the research firm core score predicts americans will spend $1.5 billion online today alone this cyber monday. that's up 20% from last year. the national retail federation reports the average holiday shopper spent $423 this weekend in stores and online. total spending an estimated $59 billion. cheryl casone live from the fox business network with us tonight. cheryl, that's a big shot in the army for the economy. isn't it? >> it certainly is, shepard. we are seeing an allot of interest in online shopping today. initial numbers into fox business about how many people are out there spending this, today cyber monday. this is going to be already the biggest cyber monday ever when it comes to sales or revenues for the nation's he biggest retailers. number one amazon.com. number two wal-mart. 122 million people shopping today on web sites with the estimate looks like at this point we are going to b
globally, but here in the united states we're getting answers from the national economy of society and nasa, the guys who put the man on the moon, that's where we're getting our information and where we're getting our policy guidance and the solutions to move forward. let's discuss it, the united states, if we have a carbon tax in the united states of some sort, we tax emissions so we have fewer emissions and you think that makes a really, rail big difference to the temperature of the planet? >> a huge difference because we've got to go after the industrial carbon pollution that's warming the planet and paying a heavy price. this pushed the price tag on the problem and we know where the pollution is, let's go get it. >> one last question, i'm sure you're familiar with the study by the britain's meteorologist office. no increase in the global temperature in a 16 year period. i think it was from mid 1990's until 2010, 2011. and that's what the british office said flat-out. what do you make of that? >> well, with great respect, i'm not familiar with the report. what i can say is here in this c
? >> it's a very bifurcated economy today with the consumer. you have high end consumers that are still feeling pretty good but in very basic every day needs like food as well as basic services, et cetera, people no matter what economic strata they're in, they are trying to save on those basics. >> explains a lot about where we are. >> took my breath away. what he's saying is there's a huge percentage of people trying to pay for dinner and dinner is tough to come by and you forget about that on a fiscal cliff discussion that will be even more difficult for people to pay for dinner and he did this acquisition because he knows people are hurting in this country. >> there's the opening bell. s&p at the top of your screen. here's big board at that. prosperity bank shares marking transfer from the nasdaq and over at the nasdaq. >> you're talking about dinner. we are having discussion about whole foods under pressure of late. the company missed. the cfo resigned. never a good thing for a company when you hear a cfo resigning. stock down 18.25%. smaller cap company. it's 2.9 billion. decent ac
as the eu and imf agree on terms of debt sustainability. where does it leave the greek economy which has already shrunk by nearly a fifth? >>> and warren buffett on tv this morning saying he wouldn't sell a single share of stock even if he was guaranteed the u.s. goes off the fiscal cliff. just wait until you hear who he thinks should be the treasury secretary. >> we'll begin of course with the deal of the day. conagra foods has agreed to acquire ralcorp for $5 billion. $90 a share in cash. 28% premium to the closing price on monday. kayla tausche reported on potential for a deal between the two companies back in 2011. it creates the largest private label food company in north america. this is a big deal. >> yes, it is. it's big in size in terms of what we've seen in this market. look how excited he is. and they finally got it done. it's been one as you pointed out that was around in 2011. they couldn't get it done. that is conagra. they walked away. ralcorp stock price fell dramatically. they split the post cereal division from ralcorp. the two trade separately. so you did have a compan
and they are offering this, you argue, what? >>guest: well, there are two ways you can damage the economy. one is to increase marginal tax rates, everyone knows the small business groups, it would kill 700,000 jobs off the bat, probably worse. the other thing is to eliminate $1 trillion, not talking about a few deductions, but talking about $1 trillion worth of deductions and credits which is what the other team wants. if you do this you have killed tax reform for a generation. how do you get the rates down if you don't have the deductions and credits. what obama is hoping to do is raids spend the money, kill tax reform for individuals. >>neil: what do you do, the house majority leader and others, talking increasingly about this as an option despite what you are saying, are you going to want to exact punishment on them in two years? >>guest: it is, there have been some folks whose pictures you put up there some of them have engaged in impure thoughts and they have not actually voted for a tax increase, be clear. cantor and speaker boehner have said they want revenues from economic growth. i wa
't know, feeling better and so much of this is about how we feel about the economy. >> oh, yeah. that's right. investors may not like it, but consumers love it. their confidence, the highest level in many, many months. still below 90, which is really the point at which you see a really strong and robust economy. but the fact that consumer confidence has been doing so much better, it's very important. now, here is possibly a source of their optimism. 20% of consumers expect more jobs in the next six months and that would be a cause for much optimism. >> shepard: yes, it would. the fears about europe's debt crisis clearly eased a bit 'cause there is another deal to provide aid to greece. >> more money for greece, $57 billion. it took three weeks to come to this conclusion for european and global leaders to say hey, we'll give you the money. it will come in four installments and if they didn't get this, they would be in bankruptcy. as you know, that would be bad for the entire e.u. that country, greece, has an unemployment rate of 25%. 25. >> shepard: big number. >> it's a very big numbe
of the real economy and allow the government to grow and grow. that's always a bad idea. that's not a good idea some years and a bad idea others. leeches, doctors don't put leeches on people ever, it's wrong. don't do it. it doesn't make people stronger. raising taxes, taking money out of the economy, damages the economy, kills jobs, reduces opportunities. >> you know, the latest cnn polls that just came out this week say you're wrong. two or three americans, including a majority of republicans, say the fiscal cliff should be addressed with a mix, a mix of spending cuts, yes, but also tax increases and if there's no deal according to these polls, they're going to blame republicans more than they blame the president. all the best evidence right now suggests the public wants to see the republicans compromise on this tax question. so from a political standpoint, is it okay for lawmakers to ignore the pledge that they gave earlier? >> well, the challenge is that the pledge that they made and that every two years comes up again in campaigns, this is not an ancient pledge, these are pledges that
. there is no reason for any of that. >> on the other hand, there is a big boost to the economy because of black friday. >> there you go. >> except for the stuff that was -- >> stephanie: although the black president will get no credit. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] >> see what you did there. >> stephanie: you know how one holiday is over and the next one -- julie in seattle reminds us, war on christmas season is officially open. it is fox news warren christmas season. >> they're losing their [ bleep ] the whole benghazi thing isn't working out for them. >> the susan rice thing is petering out. >> stephanie: yes. oh dear. steph, deck the halls with simmering resentment and bitterness over the imaginary days gone by when everyone was white christian and happy happy, happy until the christmas lights came down. friday morning, fox on on some idiot story about the nativity scene. we have a guest to quote. [ ♪ "jeopardy" theme ♪ ] who said it is christmas all over again. the grinch is trying to steal our holiday. it has been so b
are not spread across the board. the economy would take a hit of $500 billion, probably sending the country back boo recession. i get what the white house is saying and what people like patty murray are saying about how we should negotiate this and whether it's a cliff or a slope. >> it's a financial cliff claven. >> slope. >> i think even if it is a slope, if we go over the fiscal slope, it will do a lot of damage. >> right it could -- the markets will react, freak out. >> that's where the damage will be done. >> i love politico, a growing block of emboldened emboldened liberals. [ screaming ] >> say they're not afraid to watch defense spending get gouged. [ scream ] >> stephanie: if republicans captain see their way toward additional revenues then we're better off going over the cliff and readdressing this with a better congress in january. >> it's the republicans holding the country hostage. >> they're saying it's more of a slope where the economic effects will be handled gradually. we're going to have a whole new congress. >> more democrats. >> we have the technology. we can make them better
are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. we learned today that the president will be hitting the road campaign style to push his plan to raise taxes on income above a quarter million dollars a year. he'll be speaking friday at a factory in pennsylvania. the house speaker john boehner's office today announcing something similar. congressional republicans holding events in washington as well as back in their home districts to frame the president's tax plan as a threat to new hiring. but some republicans as you know are already hinting they're open to eliminating deductions even if it means breaking that pledge that the lobbyist grover norquist has been getting law makers to sign for years. joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're see
-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. jon: fox news alert for you now. we are awaiting remarks from president obama. he is pushing his plan to try to avoid the year-end fiscal cliff. this speech comes ahead of a meeting between the president and business leaders later today discussing actions the white house says are aimed at growing the economy and finding a quote, balanced approach to reducing the nation's deficit. let's bring in our panel. mary katharine ham editor-at-large of hot air.com and fox news contributor. peter mirijanian former advisor to the clinton-gore and gore-lieberman campaigns. when the president arrives at the white house to speak, he will have people behind him, ordinary americans who reached out to the white house and want their $2,000 middle class tax cut preserved. republicans are saying this is essentially a campaign stunt, a campaign appearance kind of event of the he won the election. he should get on the business of governing. what do you say? >> well, one quick observation, jon. i think what you're seeing, what i think is i
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